Spiral Network Upgrade

0:07it's already been implemented on the mort test net uh and um Etc core developers uh need to talk about it po a block number for the upgrade but let's wait two or three more minutes to see if more people join this call 0:27if you guys want to TW this alert people that the call is started would help people to come here let's wait is 0:4601 let's wait until already bro bro is in charge of that bro is everything 1:04going okay yeah I already already start the streaming and recording to 2:09wait until it's uh whatever your time is 03 until 05 let other people join this call start to call about the spiral hard senior 4:01editor at the ETC Cooperative this is the here classic Community call the developer call to talk about the coming spiral heart Fork on Etc um first we're we're gonna I'm going to 4:20give um give it to Diego Lopez Leon EC core developer to talk about ecip 11 own nine that explains hard fork and the and the goals um then the core developers are going 4:37to propose um clock number timing Etc and then everybody can will be able to ask questions and we can also talk after this after talking about spiral we can talk about the ethereum classic Noe count for example 4:55um the ETC cooperatives um three report and other issues that you may have but first we're going to talk about the bcip 1109 for the spiral hard fork and Diego could you could you uh Diego 5:14could you talk to us about about um ecip 1109 and and the spir hard Fork what is it about also about the the block number yes I'm sorry I was uh into the wrong panel probably um yeah I was there with with Andrew so yeah 5:34uh to to make it quick uh this proposal was to activate um spiral on block uh nine uh 19 mil the 5:56end of January uh January 20 uh 31st so basically the idea will be the enable the the same eips that we enable on Mordor uh during the the last week of August so to to go through the the the new 6:16changes for that uh you can open well I will share I don't know if you all have the the link for the for the ecip I don't know where I can share it but yeah you can fed in ecips eum classy.org ecips 6:42include um all of this have been already tested on M and activated successfully after some glitches but otherwise everything is working fine there uh at the moment so uh the first EIP will be the the warm coin coinbase which is something 7:00that um will make um transactions cheaper once you get when once you use the the coinbase address whenever you have to interact interact with this uh that address will be considered 7:16in a warm state which is uh basically a an an yeah I then it's consider that it it's going to be an address that you are going to use probably so any interaction with it will be cheaper 7:33uh also um another nice adding for for this upgrade is the push zero instruction which uh will make the the bite code of the compiled um solidity smart contract or well any other 7:52language that will compile to B code uh will be smaller and also The Well of of course the execution will be cheaper because it's a single instruction instead of of three as it was before um also that is uh that's for 3855 8:11uh another one is uh 3860 which is limit and meter init code which is basically a limit in the size of the of the code that it's been used for deploying uh smart contracts so it's making it uh with a with a limit that before 8:31we we didn't have one uh so that's something interesting and also uh this is just a note that this this is not something out of the consensus but it's important to mention it is the deprecation of the self-destruct the the the self-destruct instruction this is something 8:49that we missed in the past from the Paris upgrate from ethereum so if you check the shanhai notes the for the execution client you will not find this but but please go to to the Paris one and you will see this one uh this note uh no sorry this sorry I missed this 9:08uh the deprecation of sruct is in Shanghai the one that we missed before is the is the other one that it says uh supplant difficulty of code with prefer andal that was something that was present in Paris uh we didn't had any any mention of it before and here in in this 9:26ecip we are stating that we are not including that um replacement so everything will be the same for us and also we are not including uh withdrawals from the Von chain because we don't have a Von chain so that's yeah we're are not we're 9:45not including it so that's that's the list of of all the the eips that we're including in into this upcoming harport very good thank you Diego so just to confirm again Diego the the block number 10:01is yes and when do you estimate that that is going to happen uh on January 31st 3 see yeah 31st January 31st or the last week of January 10:21first week of Feb very good okay now now um I don't know if Chris or Isaac would like to add comments about the the hard Fork before I open it to questions 10:39ISAC would you like to comment something uh only to comments 10:59I couldn't hear Isaac as well uh no I think uh everything has been noted uh tomorrow we'll also provide tomorrow or the next day most probably tomorrow 11:15we will provide uh a new page with information uh with the upcoming uh Fork to the community probably we will share The Links at General and Twitter Etc going to be additional information about the fork 11:33yes uh on how many node operators have upgraded when it comes the status of oh yeah that page yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a page of the list of all the contact that we need to contact the community has to contact to operators exchanges miners mining pools Etc that are 11:52going to start we're going to start tracking who migrated to spiral very good so now it's open to the Community anybody who who wishes to ask questions to Diego Lopez Leon about um spiral heart Fork ecip 1109 or Isaac Aris or Chris 12:11zogas um please ask the questions information of the Block announcement to the community I had a question question 12:29from weer Garten in the general Channel that I just wanted to relay which is Will spiral bring compatibility for the recent solidity yes basically the the the most important chance 12:47is this addition of push zero so yes excellent and just to clarify for some uh for for the I guess non-developer side is the the word deprecation of self-destruct it's not going 13:07to affect the uh ability for existing contracts to use this op code it's merely a uh a recommendation for developers to to not implement this op code is that correct yes for the moment that's that's a recommendation uh it's possible I mean that 13:25in the future this will change but it's up to this discussion probably yeah on on on different forums but for the moment yes we are not changing any any developers 13:46already tested uh this hard for on M uh M has already H made the upgrade to this hardw workk and it will be great if developers want to run their contracts to deploy their contracts on moror 14:06so as we are sure before the hard work that everything was works great we have done our testing so far and everything is good but the more is please 14:23test on more was a big change the strategy of upgrades um for developers decided to separate 14:41the upgrade in the test Nets and the and the the main net so now uh developers can can spiral and all all the changes in the test net um before or uh everything 14:59used to be done at the same time uh and and could um create uh problems but but now it's they they separated upgrades vther Garten I don't know if you you had a question before I saw on the general Channel about smart contracts 15:18about smart contract joining on The Voice call uh just observing but that was the question that I posed uh before very good anybody else has 15:35other questions about the um dock number hard Fork spiral the the op codes uh the cor gath client to be released uh so 15:53we can be begin uh the process of telling people to upgrade already have all the pool request uh there and and waiting for for this call to 16:11happen so yeah that that will happen this week for sure great and then uh is bezu were will there be a release for that client or is that client being deprecated uh yes there will be also a release 16:29for B might not be this week yes yeah it will depend on the on the release process of the B question is basically being depreciated at 16:48some point uh yeah well for for the moment the the the client that we are supporting from the ITC Cooperative is a coret uh we are still using Vu mostly for testing and for compatibility but is not 17:06our main target not recommending bzu use for end users um so that's sort of the status so we're maintaining those code paths primarily for 17:26for testing purposes but not recommending that anyone uses bezo what is the status of that are there many 17:43nodes operating on it and uh has it been stable so have there uh it's it's hard to say we I think 18:02we don't have the the same tooling that we have for for mayet for monitoring um the the network of Mortor I mean in the the diversity of of clients and and their the upgrade they running on but uh so far we didn't have any 18:21any report of anything broken there our own noes are still running fine our testing was successful so everything looks was looking fine first 18:52heard there yeah another second yeah um I just just just wanted to add just to Ballpark the estimate for the node obviously they're not numbers that you can rely to 19:17[Music] in like there's a problem with the connection okay well I'll leave it and I'll put it in to 19:37say what you wanted to say maybe we catch the idea questions 19:58or comments about the spiral hard Fork pcip need uh out of the community um we'll probably just off the top of my head uh need 20:16some blog posts out for information is ETC Co-op taking care of that um artwork um any sort of marketing cop copy to bring awareness to this I think the timing's great uh people will be back and paying attention from the holidays 20:35uh but you know the general awareness of what's going on and maybe generate a little excitement um on achieving protocol parody again uh we don't get these extremely frequent so it's uh I think it's 20:52a great event for for us to kind of rally around and kind of Make some noise and let people know that um ethereum classic is a state-ofthe-art evm so just let us know what you guys this 21:13Fork specifically with all contacts that we have gathered that we need to reach that has to be a community effort no like like every hard for everybody in the community through all social channels through Twitter and uh Facebook on 21:31on telegram Discord uh sending emails Etc whoever can contact all mining pools wallet operators um infrastructure providers like like rivet rivet or the other node uh 21:50RPC and node providers uh any other kind of uh economic node or or people Etc MC well they they have the majority of the notes are from so they have to do the upgrade all those users have to press the 22:10button up and upgrade to spiral um yeah uh blog post any effort that everybody in the community can do would help the whole ecosystem to are 22:29there any braking changes expected if someone doesn't really important that you upgrade because this is a a network operator hardwork so at the point the that block is 22:48Rich if you are using an an old client without the the activation block your basically your not will will stop sinking with the with the rest of the network as soon as I mean we can say as soon as there uh comes a transaction that will break the previous consensus so 23:06that that it is expected to happen pretty soon after the activation so yeah it's it's really really the 23:24community if the the ecosystem shall we say the miners and the uh the exchanges do not upgrade in time there's opportunity to delay the hard fork or is there is there a plan B if that doesn't happen not saying that it's likely but if 23:40if for some reason it it happens for the reasons that it happened 23:57that quickly other than the word out this is why we test this on Mordor and yeah and we are also having giv almost two 24:15months up front for for all of us prepared to resources being created now that we announce the block number see here uh on on the general Channel 24:35Bob uh posted the link to the viral Fork list of all the people we need to contact I am update that updating that list is 119 uh contacts uh I need to clean the last 19 and I'm going to add some more some 24:54more exchanges and I already added all the new mining pools last work I'm going to add new exchanges because some some exchanges close some some of these entities close and then new ones appear so I'm I'm I'm updating that part as well 25:09uh and then uh Dr ignas SPS um also known as Mario he uh just posted a link to a dashboard to his dashboard that has a a monitor that that um counts how 25:28many days how much time how many blocks are there till the to the hard Fork the community effort has already started stora um I think we can put a banner probably on the.org website and then 25:46maybe we could use one of the development pages to post some of these resources for spiral uh monitoring yeah definitely that's a great heart 26:12Fork is ecip 1109 the block number does anybody object or or would like to suggest the different timing or something if not we we can we can declare that we have consensus on the block number does anybody have an opinion or would like 26:31to object to the block number and the timing for January 31st for this hard work please stop we can agree I think we can agree that there's rough consensus on this block number 26:49and it's going to be the the the block number that we're going to communicate the community is going to communicate to the rest of the ecosystem it is 19,250 th000 and the estimated date is January 31st um so now that we have spoken about those 27:08things does anybody want to talk about other issues for example I think one one important thing that has happened in the last two or three weeks is that uh we have been uh counting always 400600 Etc nodes but now that ECMC 27:28had more or less 90% of of all the noes in the network which is basically core get notes but um that they're running on the ETC MC platform um we the core developers um 27:45yeah must run a few uh processes to to to count again and they added more notes ET IT that maybe they can explain and now it it happens to be uh that there's more than 4,400 notes 28:02so we had been under counting apparently notes historically now there's more if you go to the ETC note Explorer um there's more than 4,400 noes of which 90% are ET noes so if anybody wants 28:22to talk about that we can talk about that talk about the ETC coopertive 43 report that was recently um published and any other issue so please ask your questions or if you want to do any comments please um please do it 28:41yeah so with all this new notes coming in to the network so related to SP will they be uh ready to to upgrade all the not or how is that undergoing is that is there a 29:01repository where those nodes can connect for upgrades or are there um I don't know other channels which can they which they use to to pull the get client in I don't have a note I I don't know I don't 29:20know many things general uh the boxes right in general I don't 29:40know no yeah I I don't know how how those uh that project works I I assume they take it from the official release page but uh one three I'm I'm not issue 30:02of atmc and the and their upgrade think you have you have spoken to M corac recently I know you have in news from there this is in terms of uh in terms of Etc Mt updates for the for the 30:19forum for spiral yes yes yeah so um you know as as per Seth all of those um all of those nodes are running um a vanilla 30:36cor gu client um but just with the identification string specifically overridden um so what should be needed for spiral is just when when there's a COR gu uh version 30:53which is new enough um but that to be made available through that I believe there's an auto update mechanism or at least a um you know a flag would say hey there is a new version ready um 31:11so yeah when when we have a COR node uh ready um we can just coordinate that with uh with with their kind of easier with those is actually right because it's because it's a managed experience same sort of thing with 31:31d node um you know that you have a you have a UI for for managing thanks I have an Etc MC node that now I turned off um because since since they 31:51a so large and they have a dominating count at least share of the ETC nodes and because they pay a token to to run the node and that node was going up in price so I decided to get out of that um because I think it's a conflict 32:09of interest for me to working at the ETC cooperative and run this node and to receive tokens so I liquidated the tokens I'm not running the node anymore so I just wanted to clarify that I don't have anything to do with ETMC um ecosystem but 32:27I know how it works and yes it has a button when when each time you go to the UI the user interface there's a big button there that says upgrade that that um is off um but whenever uh there's an upgrade it's it's on 32:46and like an alert and you click it and it upgrades your your node or the core gu that it's inside the the machine the little box so this is good like Bob said because it's 33:01a managed experience once um or is upgrade the the release the version with a release with spiral is out uh supposedly there the the company is 33:15going to alert all the 4,000 ECMC um me that they that they can upgrade to to the new core Gua core gu that is going to spiral and everybody is going to do it supposedly we have to see what happens 33:34if if if we see that it it's partial or some of them are not doing it we can just uh continue alerting them and and see how to they have a telegram channel it's a very active community so we we should treat them like any other ecosystem member 33:52but I alerted about this being also a risk know what happens if they if they decide to attack EC actually uh create a different hard Fork then they would split so so this thing of having the button the automatic way or 34:11or or the upgrade alert for every because everybody's going to just blindly upgrade they don't even know what what the hard Fork is that they're just there to harvest the the token so that's a risk so so it's it's an opportunity and also is we have to be aware of on 34:33this one is that I would assume that there has not been a major breaking release of gu which has been used in ECMC since the launch of ECMC so it will be a bit of a uh a first experience for that ecosystem so hopefully that goes smoothly 34:52and then second of all with regards to uh uh the risk of a network splitting I would imagine that it's not so important that the non- mining nodes are not upgrading because they'll simply be using a version of a chain that's not getting 35:12mined properly so really the important things to Target in terms of ecosystem are exchanges and miners is this agree I agree in my opinion that is that is 35:31correct but the thing is that when you have 90% of the nodes of a blockchain uh you can say I am the captain now and you can tell the mining pools and the miners don't follow the core deaths anymore now follow me I am the core def of ethereum classic and we're not going to do spiral we're going to 35:49do this other upgrade and you have to follow my rules because I dominate that is the attack Factor why because they have a button that's all the 4,000 notes that these people are running um they just press it because they don't care about Etc they're just like miners that they're just 36:08earning the ETC P token um and they're selling it at $2 or something is going up in price it's a it's a fever granted this is this is probably um ephemeral I don't think that I think it's 36:23just um like a bubble in that token and at some point they're going to realize the real volume is going to crash or something and threat going to be reduced significantly but when you have 90% of the nodes you could say I am the captain the captain now 36:43going to do I disagree a different hard work I could I could spin up a single person could spin up like 100,000 nodes if they wanted to it doesn't give them any power over the network unless they're actually mining yes that's that's true yeah what I'm 37:02saying is that they could convince the miners that we have 4,000 noes uh don't follow what the core deps are saying follow us create a new version of eum plastic so right but right 37:20I think their their Fork if if they did that their Fork would have no hash rate and so I think that that's the that's the big difference these are validating notes not money notes so much different risk it would be completely a huge risk if this was 4,000 mining nodes with 37:39a ton of hash power but they have no hash them to try to force or get miners to coordinate to mine an old version of the chain there's there's I I don't see any way they would coordinate 37:58to do transactions wouldn't wouldn't be transferred on the main net so they would immediately lose their uh incentive to run those notes so I think I 38:17think uh I think we're going to be all right on that um it would I think it'd be a completely different story um if it was mining I do see your risk though of that they just have an upgrade node and it's I I I believe that they're running their own release of corth so that could happen 38:37uh but I think it's isolated to a risk inside their project opposed to any sort of risk to uh the network itself I think the Network's very secure with um an abundance of hash rate and that hash rate is uh likely uh going to be updating 39:02their release from uh the corth official uh uh for this Fork so no my my my comment about the risk is for the Future No any any 39:19um platform that has so many notes with a button that upgrades automatically I think they could certain circumstance circumstances coordinate split or or things like that so but yeah not worth continuing to talk about that 39:39hypothesis because because it's a very low risk right now does anybody have um comments about other things or um block number ecip 1109 spiral the ETC cooperatives um latest order3 report or any 39:59other issues about ethereum it's quite a an interesting date because January 31st is vitalik's gift 40:20for him for spiral to the court developers yeah thank you very good and thank 40:39you very much everybody for participating thank you Diego Thank You Isaac thank you Chris thank you Bob H thank you for istor and Ronin and Rola everybody who participated ask questions so this has been the BTC community call the developer 40:56call set the number for spiral it's already set then let's go until the rest of the echosystem it's block number n number 19,250 th000 estimated to happen on January 41:1231st let's ecip drafted um I'll review and get it in thanks thanks 41:32bye bye

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