New Year, Website Update, 2022 Targets

0:02so i think we can kick things off and uh shall i uh hand over to you bro because you had a couple of uh points in the agenda that i think you added to that so uh why don't you go ahead with those well first of all um we need to to 0:20find some good questions for uh for the courgette developers i didn't invite them yet i'll do that today i hope they can join our next call and i do want to invite also someone from from the mining community just 0:39to have that balance and have more opinions and questions so would that be the same call or separate calls i think the same call i think it will go better okay as long as we can get them all on the the same page if availability works out 0:58then that's a good idea yeah we'll see we'll see about the hour basically we need to move if move the hour if they both can make it at our our preset time yeah 1:15i think we can manage that invite uh two developers right one from basu and one from uh geth uh no no just uh just from get for now we can keep uh the 1:35card developer from basu diego we can maybe have him after the fork after um after the mystic fork when's that again the mystique fork i forgot it's uh it's 1:48on 10th of february february that's you wanted to say something donald no okay sorry for making a noise no problem you had some uh some other points bro about 2:05uh testing your applications yeah i was i was thinking uh talking to omi the discord administrator and make a new role for the most advanced users that are willing to help test 2:26the apps the apps that we already have in the environment and i don't know maybe we can make a team a few people team that can test new stuff and uh see if they are scammy or not 2:45the idea is to to to have a team to to test new stuffs or old stuff from the environment so for this um the the guy from heber said he can help i 3:04think dirty rasky can also help i also want to get involved in this just to learn new stuff and maybe others will will join yeah i'm definitely interested in that as well um so basically what you mean is that when you say looking at dapps uh and stuff like 3:24that it's it's it's smart contract security and stuff like that to an extent correct uh yes that's the more advanced uh look of it but it depends on on each person how much they can participate and what the knowledge 3:43they can offer for for me personally i think uh reviewing reviewing applications would be would be beneficial for the community all right well i'm gonna leave my points for the open discussion but uh let's let's keep it on it with the agenda i 4:03think that's a really good idea and uh something that could be uh it'll be a very good service especially if there's some some kind of like badge of certification for certain apps that have been at least having a a bare minimum level of like auditing per se um yeah another another idea is to have some 4:21kind of checklist that's like is this open source can we audit the code is there a test suite etc etc um that is not necessarily uh on a per project basis but just like a general checklist that we can make sure this 4:38project is at least okay but yeah definitely having that would be awesome bro and even to build on top of that you could have a smart contract registry on ethereum classic that is like uh saying that these applications based on the contract address are somewhat 4:57uh checked by us or by some group i'll i'll talk more about that later and i have a solution for that uh what's next on the agenda boys i just i just want to add that maybe we should also take in consideration the the fact that when 5:16uh when a new the app is made which should uh basically test it before we add it to the website so like having having a review first and then maybe push it to push it on the website yeah 5:35i have been thinking about this and i i wanted to try and make it as open as possible and at the same time make it so people are aware that there is either auditing going on or no auditing going on such that if anyone sees something that's submitted on the website and there's a link that goes to a 5:54potential scam there's plenty of warnings and saying that this thing is not checked if it's not checked and if it is checked then it can have a badge saying it's been checked but i think having a like the problem is getting into the like the gatekeeping of saying oh unless it's gone through us we're not gonna 6:13list it and i think that's potentially opening in the door to uh like very difficult decisions it's true it's true um we should also see if uh bob wants to get involved in this i think this idea could even be potential uh like 6:33uh profitable exercise right if yeah a great uh like uh its own project kind of what i'm working on but as i said i'll talk about it later i want to you know you can the agenda i know you guys feel free to jump in now it's it's very open and malleable discussion so if you if you want to add something go ahead all 6:51right i i so basically so you guys probably all know about the the death of classics very unfortunate um pb swap did sweep in uh and they launched like two days after we were supposed to so very great on them they are my successor so i'm i'm very for the heebies don't so anyone you know don't get confused 7:11i i love i love i love their project they they took my idea and they went for it uh they uh i mean they haven't seemed to make it very profitable for themselves except for like i was talking to zhang yesterday that he's the head guy i'm pretty sure uh and like yeah they have a crowd sale or like some sort of sale of their token 7:30but like it's manual like they're sending tokens to an address and then they have to have someone from the team go and send them like i was telling them about how you know you need to turn this into a smart contract this is not how you know blockchain works you know you have to you have to have that stuff and he's like oh well we could do it but so i 7:47was i kind of went off with that uh and so as i said i'm working on a new project called soterius smart contracts uh and it's basically like an all-in-one smart contract uh project uh mainly for etc but if somebody wants to be audited outside we'll take that on but 8:06the idea is is that any project that that does end up on etc if they haven't got gotten the the the clear from sataria people should be skeptical of that um and it's like uh it's it's like smart contract auditing uh like you would see in many other places but we have 8:25a few things that we want to add which is um one of the main things is using nfts for something other than collectibles so what i want to do is basically a smart contract that has been audited we will mint an nft from a separate smart contract which will have a link to the 8:45audit of that of the smart contracting question and send it to this smart contract that has been audited that way if somebody wants to make sure that a smart contract on etc that has a lot of money going through it has been audited they can go and simply just look at that nft and they can see you know they 9:02can click on the link and open up the um the entire uh the audit which will be in detail like like any other audit i'm very good at solidity so this is gonna be a breeze for me for that so uh so basically uh let me go back to swap um i was talking as i said i was talking with 9:20zang and i told him that uh for like a hundred bucks because i have to pay some some guys that i'm working with um you know what we'll we'll do we'll do a full audit of all your smart contracts which is that usually this comes for grant right so i i told him you know you we do because i want to get my project off the ground i need someone i need someone 9:39like a project to work with that's going to want to cooperate because it's a lot easier to do a smart contract audit when cooperating with the people who actually deploy the smart contracts if you have any questions um but you know i told him that and he said to look at it and then he comes to the dtc discord server today and he's like oh well we don't need to do an audit or an 9:58experienced team and i you know like that's just not how it works you have to have what do you call it a peer review so um i still probably will try if they especially if they do make their code public and actually um verify their smart contracts on the on the um on the blockchain website i'll probably 10:17still do it even though you know i'm not getting paid i just need to um to make a name for for my new project which you know you're going to hear a lot more in the future i just thought i'd bring it up but if somebody want if if one of you guys you know you were talking about a new team for um for this kind of thing for dap security and 10:36stuff like that i don't see why you shouldn't come and work with me to to to make security on etc and outside as well but for now mainly on etc uh your your best place to go is me okay thanks for that um i'm sure everyone listening in will uh uh is 10:56this sorry what's going on i just do this all the time kind of cool um yeah this is pretty much exactly the kind of project that i think uh is going to be useful uh in the etc ecosystem so yeah 11:15good on you for for doing that did you have any thoughts on that bro well i i agree with him um i think if you if you are good at this stuff i'm like newbies with solidity just getting started uh i think you should 11:33you should lead this this project because uh we we don't really have anyone right now who who is available for this kind of work so i think you should do it and where you need help and i 11:53don't know when you need someone else to uh to ask questions or find answers or uh we'll try to help thank you i appreciate that and also on my side in terms of uh as we discussed previously with the having some kind of badge on the applications 12:12on the website um if if there is an active auditing team that's working and has well if it's on chain then i can just talk directly to the contract to check if the address matches so it would be pretty easy to display something like that so yeah we can work together on that yeah and it sells yeah but adapt could be misleading because they 12:32can use a specific smart contract that they say they're using but you have to be able to verify that it's actually the right one so it's it's actually there's many layers when it comes to to this kind of thing but uh yeah we that the whole point is like a full project audit making sure that everyone is within their boundaries but when a team goes 12:50out of their way to get an audit in the first place usually it's a big green flag once that audit is finished and is given all the greens there's really not much uh chance there being uh underlying scam or rug pull after that um so you know it's i think that's important 13:09especially with you know all the nft stuff coming out like there's a lot of you know kind of i don't know like especially the new zunk ones you know it's kind of in and out about how that whole thing's working but to be honest with you nfts you know they could they could they're already like the thing is when i look at the 13:27nfp projects on etc uh i see that when they're minting their the nfts the etc goes directly to the devs and no one had an issue with that i i if people are for that you know so be it what am i to say um but i i think i think there's i think it should 13:47be a little bit more you know rigorous and money's not always going straight to devs uh and backing some of that value i'm actually very surprised that etc punks you know they still they're still selling for uh two and a half etc each even though they're not selling that much so it's kind of an interesting uh alley that people have gone with nfts but 14:06with as i said with tb swap you know there's still a new there's a new opportunity now which is that anyone can go and make a token and so there's going to be two main spots when it comes to this is is the first person to make uh a coin they're going to have massive success and then there's the first person to make an actual project that has 14:26a token for for uses so i'm gonna look into doing that with my new project uh make an actual a good token for that um there's still a lot of unknowns because if i'm going to do that i want to make sure that it has an actual function is not just some you know valueless piece of crap like all those coins in the bsc 14:47um but you know if one of you guys here uh who did the nft stuff and wants to you uh make a quick buck um go and make a go and deploy an erc20 and just throw it around the place and uh that's that's gonna that's gonna get some hits for sure so uh is is he swap live now and operating 15:07on etc and what was the market like at the moment in terms of liquidity and actual listings yes so uh so so i'm not representing but i do know about them because i took my time um yeah so they they are launched on utc so it's exactly what classic swap aspired to be it's it's literally exactly it's literally 15:27uni swap v2 which is what we were going to do so so that's that's there now uh and you can go make your own pairs uh as for liquidity there's only one actual pair with anything more than like two dollars in it which is the to um the to ptc which has i think it was like 15:46500 etc last time i checked it all seems to be coming in from their manual crowd sale it's kind of all a little bit unorganized and it's actually kind of surprising because they they do have an underlying project tb swamp they have like a heebie wallet which actually looks pretty interesting and it has like like literally over 50 000 users i'm not exactly 16:06sure how many of those are returning and i don't think they have the data on that but it's still kind of interesting to see that you know they have a great underlying project but this one they kind of came out of the blue and there seems to lack some organization but that but but it doesn't matter because it's still a it's a dex on etc right people can still use it the same 16:26way as long as they get audited or uh have someone do a peer review process uh which which i'm probably going to do as soon as they actually put their photo where it should be um then yeah i would definitely take a look into that yeah that sounds uh promising and it's good that that has finally landed 16:43on etc but yeah uh from my perspective i would personally not use any application that's not open source especially a especially uh adapt like that did they publish their source code for no no they haven't yet so we don't know if it's just uni swap v2 17:02it could be a custom thing it could no so we so we do know it's uni swap p2 but we don't know if there's malicious code so we we we can't know until they publish the code and then they have someone who's good at solidity review it because most you know maybe one in a thousand people who are going to look at it are actually going to know what they're looking 17:20at and seeing uh those kind of things so they need a trusted uh third party who's able to go in detail about every single function and see how everything connects together um but yeah the first thing if there's anything if i ever f once they put their code out the fir the first thing if i find anything kind of a little bit sus you 17:39know etc community right here in the discord it's gonna be personal um right now i deem it safe enough uh if you're gonna play around with a few hundred dollars just to see how that how it all works uh and if you want to make your own your own uh token i think that that's going to uh you could there's financial opportunity in that um but yeah 17:58as i said you know we have to we have to wait until they publish the code and stuff like that and if they start delaying that code publishing you know i would you know i really wanted dex on etc but you know classic swap was going to be fully you know audited before launch the whole thing and these guys come out of the blue 18:17and we don't even have their source code so i would just be careful um yeah to me around that i don't see any reason why they would not have published the source code already because that seems like a just a standard thing that you would do anyway like what why wouldn't it just be because you can verify the source code on various like explorers right 18:35as far as i understand so yeah that should have been done already i i would assume before publishing it i agree 100 okay well i guess maybe um we'll stay with an open mind but a very cautious approach to this one until we know more it's my perspective absolutely that's 18:53yeah that's the best maybe maybe we should also get ross involved i know that he is also a solidity developer i yeah i think i'm gonna work work with runs he's 19:12really good at solidity have you seen his uh oh man he built like a super complex dap uh some sort of storytelling thing and he thought that no one would figure it out and he like he bet me like two grand that he's that you wouldn't be able to figure it out 15 minutes later i'd come and i'd like add it to his story he 19:32couldn't believe it anyway yeah he's been uh he's been around here for for a year or so on discord he also made the a betting website where you can bet on football games so yeah caught my eye but 19:52the game i didn't try it um i like other games yeah no it's very very complicated and i didn't really understood it i just pressed buttons until something happened so it's just that yeah yeah nobody he's got a he's got a good mind he knows he knows what he's doing i just think uh his 20:10ideas are a little bit uh in the future uh the average person is a lot dumber than uh one might think so yeah be careful but um yeah thank you i think russ is a great asset to ecc um uh just you know solidity you know i don't the thing is is i i wish that i could 20:29just build you know the the smart contract build the dap and connect it all together and make one beautiful dap but i can do solidity i can do with my eyes closed but when as soon as you you hit the front end you know it's like the front end of my brain just slaps right into a wall just it's just not for me [Music] 20:51we should uh definitely make a call a future call about this audit team i have that on the agenda and maybe maybe make it a specific call about this yeah possibly i mean i i will if you guys 21:09if anyone here is interesting interested in hearing more about that just send me a dm uh i'll send you a discord server in the next few days uh where i'll be publishing all the updates for that um but my goal is to have that well there's no such thing as up and running it's not like effects but like up and ready to audit 21:28any team any any uh any project in about a week or two um uh as you guys know uh i'm i'm still still in high school right um so but uh we are i'm i'm in canada so we're going back online until uh january 21st at the minimum so me 21:48and online school we have a great relationship i don't do at school and i and i last year actually during online school was when i first conceptualized my first uh project uh based on blockchain based project it was wrapped litecoin man i remember the old days anyways that that fell through but you know uh 22:08lots of stuff happened after that and you know one thing leads to another and here i am with the audit thing after the death of uh maybe a million dollar idea which was sorry okay stop making us feel old i'm sorry my bad so what is the big thing with mystique upgrade 22:27what's the number one uh addition i believe it's mostly compatibility things with ethereum and it's implementing a uh a kind of muted version of the uh one of the one of ethereum's recent sort of economic uh 22:47gadget changes yeah i heard about that okay i'll take a look for sure thanks as far as i know there's no like new feature updates per se it's mostly just compatibility uh the the website is coming along and the content 23:07is getting added slowly but surely and i'm currently in the process of running a 99 designs uh competition for the front end for the front landing page so in the next few days i will be updating the website uh 23:25channel with a link to some different options for the front end so basically 99designs is this service that will get a bunch of people to submit different designs and i want to open up the decision making of which design is the winner to the community so there'll be an opportunity for people to look in and 23:43uh to cast their vote on that so check out the website channel in due course but i'll update the uh the general chat for that as well how many designs have already been submitted so far there's about 30 35 designs and of those 35 there's maybe six 24:02that are reasonable and there's another three days left to go so there's a good number are they all from you or like are they from other people no they're from other people and is there like a prize to this uh this thing i don't do front-end so don't worry about i'm not going to go and try it yeah it's a it's a it's a funded 24:22thing okay i see well awesome i'll take a look um yeah hopefully you so uh who was it you that was building the new website last time we had that call it was like a month ago yeah that's correct i'm currently working on uh content as in the uh the articles uh so a lot of writing 24:41as opposed to what i'm used to which is web development so it's taking uh slightly longer than i was anticipating but rather get it right if you need any help with photos or videos and i'm referring here with the stock 24:58footage i made a subscription to motion re they have some cool stuff there uh if you need i'll just send you a few links so you can see them and i can download them and send it to you thanks 25:16for the offer would this be for as as part of just source material for editing videos or like a full video for some because i'm hoping eventually to get some of these longer articles sort of turned into a video and animated in some way to make it easier to digest for people i 25:35think i think i can do that i can do the editing but we should settle on a script you know so i don't click go wild and do what i think we should have like a few bullet points and uh work something out from there yeah 25:54we can probably find some kind of voice over um from like uh upwork or fiverr or whatever and then maybe you could help with the editing and just put the voice over to some pictures and imagery yeah a voice a voiceover is necessary maybe someone with a british accent or something 26:14like that uh oh yes because british accents are safer everyone is calm also um i forgot what i wanted to say okay i'm just going to say goodbye everyone thank you for the call i'm going to go have some right now thanks about 26:33testing older applications from the environment does that refer to ethereum classic already like old deployed apps yes i uh i saw on the website there are a few games there uh weird games some 26:49other deafy stuff i've only tested a few but we should we should double check them to see if they are still alive and are i 27:07think the idea is the idea is i'm expecting floods new floods of people joining crypto so next year we should see a boom and i want those people to i don't know when they when they see the site 27:25and want to try something to be sure that that's something that the app or what's on the website works yeah i agree uh and i think that having there's a couple of problems one is that um it's difficult to constantly monitor this because obviously 27:43over time things will randomly just stop working unless we're always like every month checking is this thing live or is every app live uh we're gonna miss some stuff for sure and the other thing is that i would ideally like to have a way of archiving even if they've gone offline just 28:02as a proof that they did exist at some point and a theorem you know these applications might not be working now but they were here at some point so as opposed to just removing them entirely maybe having just a flag to say they're not working anymore and don't bother using them but they they used to work yes they are have it's a good idea right 28:21but then the archive would not be appearing at the top of the list for example i saw that uh you have mentioned donald um he can review it can 28:41uh can we finally can we find other persons who can who can do it like have more people sure the the whole process is completely open to anyone that wants to contribute so it's uh yeah anyone can have a go i i'm also planning potentially to uh 29:00get some third-party proofreaders just to make sure everything's good but uh if at any point anyone wants to contribute feel free is there the mock-up of the site or yep if we uh it's it's still wip but i'll paste the link in the community calls 29:19notes channel just now one sec so we can go checking out the new website as it progresses link and as i mentioned the landing page is currently just like a placeholder but that's going to be looking quite 29:37nice afterwards i also plan to to do like a a very sort of low stakes bounty in terms of trying to incentivize content to be contributed to the site because i know there's a lot of videos and blog articles that are getting posted around the internet but it's uh it's kind of difficult to get people 29:57to make pull requests because not everyone understands github so i'm planning to do like a little video tutorial of how to do that as well as an incentivization in in terms of if you submit a video you get 0.01 etc or something like that the 30:20youtube boom with edc videos that's the idea i think there's so much like low-hanging fruit that just a tiny bit of funding would make a huge difference towards and that's just an example of that right people love air drops and stuff so yes 30:38exactly it's a good idea to to find a minimum way to incentivize work that is being done for for the network there'll also be a bounty for um translations so once once the english version the site is pretty much finalized 30:58i think we can start the next phase which would be uh the the whole internationalization process which uh we tried before but was kind of complicated uh but this time we're gonna be using uh roudin which is a third-party translation platform that will 31:15make it a lot easier and uh it's fairly sort of common usage and yeah donald at any point you have any suggestions in terms of overall sort of vision of how the content is laid out and or different uh you know approaches to to leading people into 31:35the the whole story the website looks uh very nice um and so this is going to replace the current one on ethereumclassic.org that's correct yeah i want to check it out in more detail i have one suggestion regarding these calls um i 31:54think that i have the impression and i had this impression since 2018 when i started to work on atc that um discord is is a little bit closed because it's by invitation people need to have the link to come in and they have to be authorized to get in so it's less 32:11open than say twitter and and github i think um website for developers people are more technical skills um so for today's call on the github the announcement it doesn't have the link to to the discord a 32:31series of that is a good one one has to go through arrive here i think that if this call could i don't know maybe use youtube or twitter twitter spaces um it's more open you just just post it and people just click and go because everybody's 32:50there on twitter or facebook i don't know which is better but something more open and instead of the announcement being on github which i think is for advanced people who know these things maybe it could be the home of the website of ethereumclassic.org and 33:08with links clear links to go there make it easy for people to reach the call suggestion yes yes you are right i was thinking of that also i have an idea of how to make it more popular having 33:28a a sort of promo a community called promo that people can watch on youtube and then click the link something like that but i'm still thinking how how we should do it on 33:47the main uh theorem classic website it's like a theorem classic slash whatever will redirect and we can control that redirect pretty easily oh um there's another topic that here robert rager um brought to my attention and i think we should talk about this but uh let's finish 34:06the communication parts uh i think just a unless there's something that you wanted to add bro but from my side i think it's definitely something that uh will be included in the next version of the website and there's already a place for like events that's uh in placeholder mode so yeah 34:24we will add that into the uh the front page as well to make sure people can find it and also if we find a better idea uh in terms of i mean the only reason we're using discord and github is because it was already there and it was easy to pick up but if if there's a better option then i'm open 34:44to it my only concern is that i don't have a twitter or a facebook account so i might not be able to join on those platforms and then then we have to do it somewhere where we're all it would be cool if there was an actual open platform you know like a a self-hosted jitsi instance that anyone can join for example 35:04so we could look at that i think that's a good idea and even even this hook discord requires you to log in and stuff so it'll be better if there was no login requirements at all the main problem is um we as a community don't have uh access 35:21to ethereum classic uh accounts twitter accounts or other stuff like that so we rely on our accounts to publish things and it's not like we can all sync and i don't know have 50 35:42accounts actually pushing one information altogether on twitter or facebook or other platforms so it's it's rather difficult but it can be done it can be done in some way yeah i guess that's just the nature of decentralization 36:01we have to make do but uh it's a trade-off that i think is worth it we're talking here about two things one one is where the call is and how easy it is to access it access it no just with a link you just go and enter um so that that's where 36:20i say it's difficult to go to github it's difficult to go into discord if you're someone from the outside no you're not already inside so this restricts access and then a separate issue is how to communicate it um so we have to separate those those two concepts 36:37both have to be good now as better as best as possible yep i i'm not following um regarding sorry regarding the etc large social media accounts um i think that if i think about which are those 36:55and one of course is f classic on twitter that has 600 000 followers and i the only other one that i can think that makes more noise is etc co-op a lot of people pay pay attention to that one but i don't know if there's others but 37:13in terms of eth classic i would just assume that the account is uncontrollable it's owned by iohk apparently they they even lost the access to that account so and um and there's only one person that has indirect 37:30access through deck but they can't do anything other than tweet they can't change the profile they can't change the admin or anything so it's very it's very um unfortunate because it was the big accounts at the beginning um but i think we're going to have 37:49to deal with the reality that we have to build a community again on social media sounds uh fine with me i mean a lot of the uh a lot of the followers of the old account of the big accounts are relevant but maybe not as active as they would be for this new wave of participants 38:08so it's not necessarily like a huge loss although of course it would be great if that account could be handed to you know someone someone can do something with it talked about earlier donald um yes um if 38:28if you go to the community fund room i don't know how it's a channel um you're going to see that there's a lately a conversation about there's there's some sort of doubt whether the multi-sig wallet or smart contract where the money is which is in 38:47thousand etc um if that if that's multisig wallet or contract still works because i think it was started in 2016 and many people donated money it was a public thing everybody wanted to help btc and a lot of people sent money 39:06even the dow hacker sent i think money to to that fund and they established the the multisig wallet and there's five or six people who are part of the multisig and one of them i think is cody burns he is the one who started the conversation saying 39:24we should test it to see if it still works and and if it still works we should move it to a new contract because the doubt is that since 2016 there's been so many hard forks trying to keep up with the evm standard and ethereum sometimes a small percentage of contracts may break so should be tested um 39:45in particular i think that that fund is extremely important for etc because it has 16 000 etc and it could perfectly be worth 60 million dollars in the near future and even 80 million dollars in the medium term or longer term now by the end of the decade or 40:03something the btc if we make it easy successful as we believe we can do and our goals this is going to be a huge source of funding for for core and infrastructure and stuff like that so it's very important for me to bring this and thank you very much ara gr or rager um for 40:23for bringing this to the attention thanks for bringing this up um i think in terms of compatibility uh i i suspect it's gonna be fine mostly because uh if there was that kind of bug and those contracts are usually pretty standard and upgrades would typically design 40:44to make sure that backwards compatibility is maintained and even if it wasn't i think there's a strong case to say that you know code is law and it's etc's job to make sure that contract always works so uh in the future there should be a hard fork to make sure it does work if if something in the past has caused it not to 41:01work yeah the only thing was that that cody burns brought this issue of testing it just in case right i think i think the testing is not necessarily about the contract itself but more about the social element to it and whether the people with 41:20the keys still have access to the keys okay that that too yeah good yeah that's another thing it's um it's a very informal fund it is definitely a community fund so even though there's five people who control it or six this was a no absolutely open thing and many people sent money so for 41:39example an entity like the atc co-op it's just we can agree that or we can we could see it as a private donation by barry so they can do whatever they want and it's great but this is even more public now so so i think it's of concern especially because we talk about the 41:59funding issue frequently and we have attacks with treasuries and stuff like that to to solve this phantom problem that we supposed to supposedly have you know that little fund can be a very big fund in the future so if there's any threat it would be great just just this is just to raise the attention to the to the issue it would be 42:18great if the signatories can can be found and and to test it and see if everything's fine i very much agree and i think it might be a good idea to get cody on as a guest in a future chat so we can chat about this if he's available huge i 42:36was thinking the same thing maybe some somewhere at the end at the end of the month if he's free yeah i like the idea of um trying to get guests lined up to a date in advance like at least a week in advance so we have time to collect questions from the audience from the community 42:57and do the same kind of format we did with bob yeah i like that also but yeah this is a fairly important thing and uh it has not been tested ever i believe the signatures were just i mean maybe they did it once to make sure it worked but since since the creation of that contract it's never actually 43:16had funds removed from it so it will be a long time coming and yeah the biggest threat is people have lost their keys or just have radio silence whenever they lose the money we can do any regular state change what do you think a 43:34good one who didn't get it i'm still laughing [Laughter] ethereum classic classic classic classic all the way down classic 43:51vintage by the way i was looking earlier at some uh some old reddit posts and it seems like it might have been vitalik himself that dubbed it ethereum classic in terms of the first time it was called that that was that would be very funny the 44:13founder true and see if he can join us in a future call and if we can uh liaise with uh the geth and uh minor guys bro then if they can't join us then maybe we can 44:31get him on a date death talk um because it's genu january we should uh we should well i can try to get technical 44:51analysis because at the first part of the year many many people man many investors are looking up [Music] products to invest so i was thinking uh having a talk about uh fundamental 45:08analysis and technical analysis with him and see how that goes maybe we should make some sort of uh like a google document or a spreadsheet or something that's easy for people to work with that's not github so we can collaborate on these uh potential ideas because we're we're coming up with a lot of 45:27good stuff but we need to sort of note this down and have a central point that we can all edit and refer to do all of us use uh google docs i do i do okay i guess that's easier to use than github so might be a good thing at least for just planning 45:45these calls have that internal stuff going on and then have something more open okay cool well in any case i'll listen to the recording of this and uh make 46:05some action points that we can work on next week and we are coming up to the hour so we can move to the open discussion if anyone has anything to to bring to the table uh feel free to to go now i am alarmed about not being open source yeah 46:25for me that's a huge red flag and i've seen i've seen far less suspicious things that have turned out to be scams so i'll be very wary of that yesterday i tweeted i was happy about heavy swap and boof swap i don't know if anybody knows boot swap is it open is it is 46:44it less sketchy but i'm going to tweet today for people not to use hibi until they until it's fully open they they said will uh share the code so let's wait a few days it's worth zero it's already there nobody should send one 47:03cent there well luckily there's no market so it's pretty useless at this point anyway so yeah i can think that someone says oh this is amazing i'm gonna start the liquidity pool and they put money and the two assets and suddenly they disappear yeah uh 47:21so no no this is this is a huge especially because we made a lot of nice noise btc army we're happy about new products projects and we're happy to support them but this is ridiculous i mean the blockchain industry in general not to 47:40be open source and inherent classic in particular is extremely ridiculous yeah i've never seen anything like it to be honest and the hebrew wallet if that is not open source like trust wallet or metamask i i downloaded eb wallet to check it out it seems like it's like a trust wallet something like that um but 48:01i'm gonna i'm gonna halt all my testing and everything until they're open source it's great that weather garden is is going to do this this service not to to constantly inform and audit smart contracts and inform that at least they meet a minimum checklist now that's that's great because people 48:19like me that we i am not on the technical side side more on the business side uh sometimes we we miss these things and i really missed the fact that hibi is not open source yeah it's pretty uh easy to you know unless you know what you're looking for it's 48:37uh it's really difficult to tell if something's legit or not it's uh some somewhat ironic given the trustless nature of this system or at least it's supposed to trustless nature there's always going to be someone that you're referring to yeah anyone wanted to talk about now is the final 48:56call and if not we're going to wrap up so uh thanks for joining us everyone it's been a another fruitful conversation and looking forward to seeing you all again next week thanks for taking part and this uh this call has been recorded and will be uploaded for everyone else to to listen to afterwards so thanks for joining 49:16us take care bye-bye thank you i'm bro bye-bye bye-bye

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